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Thanas · Aug 04, 2005, 03:39 PM // 15:39

Hello there,

Just a quick suggestion. I think energy bars for allies and enemies as well as the health bars should be implemented into the HUD. Personally I don't understand why we are without such information. Since player energy plays a large part in the game strategy. Some classes are even designed to hamper enemy players through there maniplulation of energy i.e. Mesmers. Therefore dissallowing them this vital information puts them at an disadvantage. Please feel free to post constructive comments on this subject. No going off topic or flaming please....

D31337 · Aug 04, 2005, 03:47 PM // 15:47

I totally agree with this suggestion!
If the allys (especially the warriors) could see the enegry level of the others, they this would maybe prevent them of running all the time (and later shouting about missing support from the back!). Therefore it would really increase the teamwork.

spikydude · Aug 04, 2005, 04:18 PM // 16:18

Agreed.

They should implement a bar showing allies and foes energy. A tiny blue one underneath their health bar perhaps.

Night Raven · Aug 04, 2005, 04:21 PM // 16:21

That's the downside of being an elementalist (or other heavy energy using class) in a group.

All the big, buff warriors running around and aggroing everything in sight and not waiting for your energy to recharge before attacking another group.

Example:

Me : "Please wait a sec. I need some time to recharge my Energy!"
Warrior: "Elem are such dead weight. Why don't you just GTFO!"

Unfortunately, this happens most of the time.

I usually Ctrl-Click on my energy bar to inform everyone about the status of my Energy reserves.

But i agree with you completely.

Zell Murasame · Aug 04, 2005, 04:22 PM // 16:22

No, definitely not. Enemies, never, I mean how the hell would you know it anyways? You think the enemy would tell you? I'm pretty sure Arena.net is going for something practical and actually possible here...

Allies can tell Warriors not to run off... or perhaps Warriors need to be smarter? If you have 1 Elementalist and you see 3 Meteor Showers dropping (Echo Nuking), they should realize the Elementalist's Energy is a bit low. And besides, that's what Control-Click is for...

Rulke · Aug 04, 2005, 04:28 PM // 16:28

I agree.

Playing an energy regen necro, I randomly hit BiP and BR on our monks and elementalists when I
a) notice they've stopped healing/nuking (frequently because we're not hurt or all their skills are recharging)
b) notice they're casting lots of high energy skills (this is generally a better indicator. Pity I forget that extra regen wont help get rid of exhaustion)
c) see that someone has told us how much energy they have left. I hit BiP then read the message. Often consisting of "My Energy is 42 of 42!"
d) have lots of health regen. I just give BiP to every caster on the screen.
e) feel like it (my thoughts would be along the lines of: "Hmm, I haven't given them any energy recently. Let's cast BiP on them. And everyone else on the screen. I'll hit the monk first so he can heal me.")

I would prefer to see how much energy they have, so I don't waste my energy and health giving the elementalist with a minute left before their skills recharge, 4 lots of exhaustion and max possible energy 10 points of energy regen.

Night Raven · Aug 04, 2005, 04:49 PM // 16:49

They could probably modify the group window in a way that it will show 2 bars for each player.

The actual red for Health and a smaller blue one right under.

Just an idea.

Rajamic · Aug 04, 2005, 07:32 PM // 19:32

There shouldn't be any way to tell how much energy or health an opponent has.

And Control+Click your mana bar when low works just fine. It doesn't take any real effort to do.

Thanas · Aug 04, 2005, 07:54 PM // 19:54

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Originally Posted by Zell Murasame

No, definitely not. Enemies, never, I mean how the hell would you know it anyways? You think the enemy would tell you? I'm pretty sure Arena.net is going for something practical and actually possible here...

Allies can tell Warriors not to run off... or perhaps Warriors need to be smarter? If you have 1 Elementalist and you see 3 Meteor Showers dropping (Echo Nuking), they should realize the Elementalist's Energy is a bit low. And besides, that's what Control-Click is for...

? What are you trying to say here. Please write something a little more coherent and I will reply. Thankyou.

Thanas · Aug 04, 2005, 08:03 PM // 20:03

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Originally Posted by Rulke

I agree.

Playing an energy regen necro, I randomly hit BiP and BR on our monks and elementalists when I
a) notice they've stopped healing/nuking (frequently because we're not hurt or all their skills are recharging)
b) notice they're casting lots of high energy skills (this is generally a better indicator. Pity I forget that extra regen wont help get rid of exhaustion)
c) see that someone has told us how much energy they have left. I hit BiP then read the message. Often consisting of "My Energy is 42 of 42!"
d) have lots of health regen. I just give BiP to every caster on the screen.
e) feel like it (my thoughts would be along the lines of: "Hmm, I haven't given them any energy recently. Let's cast BiP on them. And everyone else on the screen. I'll hit the monk first so he can heal me.")

I would prefer to see how much energy they have, so I don't waste my energy and health giving the elementalist with a minute left before their skills recharge, 4 lots of exhaustion and max possible energy 10 points of energy regen.

I end up having to spam energy boosting skills too. I know its possible for my allies to tell me that they are on low energy. However a visual aid would remove the need for this action and allow those characters to focus on their role within their group. However my main concern is that with enemies you have no way to know what their energy status is. Its not as though they would tell you if they could. In a fight knowing the energy status of a group is very important. It would open up a whole new level of stategy if players could actual see their enemies energy. Players would feel more useful using skils that attack energy. At the moment I avoid using energy drain skills, since I don't feel I'm aiding the group in any way.

Rulke · Aug 04, 2005, 08:04 PM // 20:04

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Originally Posted by Zell Murasame

No, definitely not. Enemies, never, I mean how the hell would you know it anyways? You think the enemy would tell you?

Well, the enemies are telling us exactly how much health they have with those big red bars, and our team can share information on ow much health we have from several miles away, so I don't think we need to consider realism in this.

However, it's a very useful feature and not as hard to implement as some of the other suggestions (such as the Auction house. And this is probably, not certainly)

EDIT: I've never been in a group where it was a common occurence for someone to say how much energy they had left, maybe once or twice when they reach zero in a fight (but not at all the zeros, of course).

Has anyone ever been in a group where people would always helpfully spam their energy levels when appropriate?

Thanas · Aug 04, 2005, 08:05 PM // 20:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rajamic

There shouldn't be any way to tell how much energy or health an opponent has.

And Control+Click your mana bar when low works just fine. It doesn't take any real effort to do.

OK justify your statements. I did specify constructive criticism!

Gedscho · Aug 04, 2005, 08:10 PM // 20:10

ctrl click on energy bar is NOT enough in a battle, where things happen fast.

sometimes i dont have the time to watch the chat log.

there are situations when the calls for the BiPper clog up TS.
just implementing a blue bar for your allies would make things run a lot smoother, and its as realistic as havin healthbars.

or to be funny: make the face look more exhausted when they are low on mana lol

Night Raven · Aug 04, 2005, 08:11 PM // 20:11

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Originally Posted by Rulke

Has anyone ever been in a group where people would always helpfully spam their energy levels when appropriate?

Never.

And i just recently found out about the Ctrl-Click "spam".

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gedscho

or to be funny: make the face look more exhausted when they are low on mana lol

My Elem would look totally depressed most of the time!

spikydude · Aug 04, 2005, 08:14 PM // 20:14

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Originally Posted by Gedscho

ctrl click on energy bar is NOT enough in a battle, where things happen fast.

sometimes i dont have the time to watch the chat log.

there are situations when the calls for the BiPper clog up TS.
just implementing a blue bar for your allies would make things run a lot smoother, and its as realistic as havin healthbars.

or to be funny: make the face look more exhausted when they are low on mana lol

That's so true. I dont have the time to look at the chat when you're in the middle of a fight. Energy bar will help support classes (like necros) to be alot more effective anyway, you cant deny them that.

Kiiron · Aug 04, 2005, 08:22 PM // 20:22

Quote:

No, definitely not. Enemies, never, I mean how the hell would you know it anyways? You think the enemy would tell you? I'm pretty sure Arena.net is going for something practical and actually possible here...

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Originally Posted by Thanas

? What are you trying to say here. Please write something a little more coherent and I will reply. Thankyou.

-shrug- seemed pretty coherent to me. However, I do agree that we should get to see the energy levels of at least our allies, and probably our enemies too. Ctrl-clicks aren't the most efficient way to manage a group's energy.

Mavrik · Aug 04, 2005, 08:24 PM // 20:24

Yeah I agree, I'm always yelling "WAIT, Need to recharge!" but fortunatly everyone appreciates my heavy dealing damage and doesn't complain heh... for now.

DeLuux · Aug 04, 2005, 08:26 PM // 20:26

This would really be something worth thinkin' about.. A lot of low-energy type of players don't even realise that it's a vital part of the game. Warriors go bitchin' around when fights are entered with them not at full health and still you get flamed when you ask them to wait to let your energy refill.. Enemy energy is less important i guess, but still worth the attention..

Thanas · Aug 04, 2005, 08:27 PM // 20:27

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Originally Posted by Night Raven

Never.

And i just recently found out about the Ctrl-Click "spam".

My Elem would look totally depressed most of the time!

LOL, to be fair I have been in groups where people spam their energy. However I had to tell them to do this. In the heat of battle they didnt always remember to do this, which is understandable. That aside why should they have to spam their energy. People don't have to spam their health when their health is low, its their in plain sight so monks can heal them. So why not have an energy bar for energy intensive characters, so that their energy can be replaced if the need arises. It would take little implementation. For those that didn't like the bar or didnt need it, they could hide it. I personally cannot see any reasons why it should not be implemented. With regards to negative comments so far, I've not seen any good arguments. All I've read is statement with little to no justification. So please if you can offer a reasonable counter argument please do.

Thanas · Aug 04, 2005, 08:28 PM // 20:28

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Originally Posted by Kiiron

-shrug- seemed pretty coherent to me. However, I do agree that we should get to see the energy levels of at least our allies, and probably our enemies too. Ctrl-clicks aren't the most efficient way to manage a group's energy.

Thanks for re-itterating!